http://www.pgpmediation.com/2007/11/30/%e2%80%9cfairness-to-me%e2%80%9d/ Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:38:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 http://www.pgpmediation.com/2007/11/30/%e2%80%9cfairness-to-me%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-896 dogman Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:29:32 +0000 http://www.pgpmediation.com/blog/2007/11/30/%e2%80%9cfairness-to-me%e2%80%9d/#comment-896 I would like to call your attention to an article I wrote about the "two dog fairness" experiment. I believe you'll find a definitive answer here to what the experiment actually reveals, I also believe it's the most sublime explanation for the evolutionary antecedents for the high social traits such as altruism, bonding and cooperation. This is the link and I would appreciate any feedback. Thanks for your consideration, Kevin Behan. http://www.naturaldogtraining.com/articles/do-dogs-have-a-sense-of-fairness/ I would like to call your attention to an article I wrote about the “two dog fairness” experiment. I believe you’ll find a definitive answer here to what the experiment actually reveals, I also believe it’s the most sublime explanation for the evolutionary antecedents for the high social traits such as altruism, bonding and cooperation. This is the link and I would appreciate any feedback. Thanks for your consideration, Kevin Behan.
http://www.naturaldogtraining.com/articles/do-dogs-have-a-sense-of-fairness/

]]> http://www.pgpmediation.com/2007/11/30/%e2%80%9cfairness-to-me%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-823 EVEN DOGS WANT “FAIRNESS” | PGP Mediation Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:04:14 +0000 http://www.pgpmediation.com/blog/2007/11/30/%e2%80%9cfairness-to-me%e2%80%9d/#comment-823 [...]   This week’s blog returns to a familiar theme: Fairness. Why? I am a dog lover (see below)  and so can’t resist reading any article involving [...] [...]   This week’s blog returns to a familiar theme: Fairness. Why? I am a dog lover (see below)  and so can’t resist reading any article involving [...]

]]> http://www.pgpmediation.com/2007/11/30/%e2%80%9cfairness-to-me%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-548 John Ford Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:42:52 +0000 http://www.pgpmediation.com/blog/2007/11/30/%e2%80%9cfairness-to-me%e2%80%9d/#comment-548 "If general fairness had been their concern, advantaged monkeys should have shared an occassional grape with the others or refused grapes altogehter, something they never did...An egocentric sense of fairness is a fancy description of envy. It is the pain felt at the sight of those better off than we are. This is a far cry from the larger sense of fairness, the one that makes us also worry about those worse off than we are. If monkeys lack this latter sense, what about the apes?... Sue took care of a female, Panbanisha, while the rest of her bonobo colony was being tended by other staff. Panbanisha was getting different food, such as raisins and extra milk. As Sue brought these goodies to her, the other bonobos saw what was happening and called out. They obviously wanted the same stuff. Noticting this, Panbanisha seemed troubled, even though the situation was in her favor. She asked for juice, but when it arrived, instead of accepting it, she gestured to the others, waving an arm in her friends direction and vocalizing at them. They responded with their own calls and then sat down next to Panbanisha's cage, waiting to get juice, too. Sue said she had the distinct impression that Panbanisha wanted her to bring the others what she herself was getting. This is not enough to conclude that a sense of fariness exists in other animals, but what fascinates me is the connection with resentment. All one needs of the larger sense of fairnes to develop is anticipation of the resentment of others." From Our Inner Ape, by Frans De Waal, p208-209, 2005. Two things to think about-apes are closer to us than monkeys, and when is fairness really just envy? “If general fairness had been their concern, advantaged monkeys should have shared an occassional grape with the others or refused grapes altogehter, something they never did…An egocentric sense of fairness is a fancy description of envy. It is the pain felt at the sight of those better off than we are. This is a far cry from the larger sense of fairness, the one that makes us also worry about those worse off than we are. If monkeys lack this latter sense, what about the apes?… Sue took care of a female, Panbanisha, while the rest of her bonobo colony was being tended by other staff. Panbanisha was getting different food, such as raisins and extra milk. As Sue brought these goodies to her, the other bonobos saw what was happening and called out. They obviously wanted the same stuff. Noticting this, Panbanisha seemed troubled, even though the situation was in her favor. She asked for juice, but when it arrived, instead of accepting it, she gestured to the others, waving an arm in her friends direction and vocalizing at them. They responded with their own calls and then sat down next to Panbanisha’s cage, waiting to get juice, too. Sue said she had the distinct impression that Panbanisha wanted her to bring the others what she herself was getting.
This is not enough to conclude that a sense of fariness exists in other animals, but what fascinates me is the connection with resentment. All one needs of the larger sense of fairnes to develop is anticipation of the resentment of others.” From Our Inner Ape, by Frans De Waal, p208-209, 2005.
Two things to think about-apes are closer to us than monkeys, and when is fairness really just envy?

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